Another case in Utah; by the same adoption agency that kidnapped Baby O'Dea.
The Adoption Center of Choice; are they prejudiced against fathers? How many more times are they going to put the father through hell? And; we are all supposed to be ok with this. According to them; Bryn doesn't have any rights to information; because he wasn't married to Tiffany; the mother. Did you know that to have rights to your child you had to be married?
Bryn; informed the owner of The Adoption Center of Choice; he would come pick up his baby. Of course; the owner tried to tell Bryn how expensive this would be. Bryn; informed the owner this was not an issue. Bryn; called; and kept getting the run around; sound familiar? I have to inform the adoption agency; they are unethical!! How do they sleep at night? I can't; I lay; in bed; and cry for these fathers, mothers; all of us who have been hurt by this ugly business.
The agency tried to talk Bryn; in to an open adoption. That sounds all good; when you talk about it. But how many states actually enforce it? My friends; out there tell me the states that do stand by open adoption. Is Utah one of them? Also; Bryn has not received any thing from the agency; at this time. He has not seen pictures of his baby girl. Bryn; his awaiting her return home. He has name picked out for you; Baby Girl! Your daddy is fighting a cruel industry; and I pray for all the souls that have helped robb the parents of the babies that do have loving homes to go to.
Also; Bryn lives in Indiana; as well as Tiffany. How did an agency in Utah get involved?
We forget adoption; was supposed to be for the homeless children. I do not see any one rushing out; to provide a home for a teenager that has been loss to the foster care system. We are not sitting in courts; battling over those young people who could use a home open up to them; with love. Even in my own family; when I have voiced if we were ever to bring a child in to this home; the child would be older; and in the foster care system; by my sister those children come with issues; I wouldn't. Hmmm; that mind-set is why our foster care system is overcrowded. Do I agree with my sister? Hell No!! But; she made me think twice to subjecting a teenager to people in this family!!!!! Would we adopt? No; we would ask for guardianship. Because; I will never do the same thing; that has caused me so much heartache in my life to another family.
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and I just found out that Joshua Simmerson, whose girlfriend flew to UTAH to relinquish their baby, has been ordered to remove pretty much all of his myspace page, myspace.com/canyounamethesepeople?
by lawyers from Wood Crapo in SLC Utah.
UGH:( I am so mad; this shouldn't be going on; Joshua needs his baby; and his baby needs his/her daddy. I think I should go take these lawyers babies/children; you think they would just sick back? I am sorry; Joshua that our society is so cruel.
Hugs,
Kell
opps sick=sit; I guess I can not get the word sick out of my head when I am talking about Utah.
This place and these people are wrong in so many ways!! Thank you for calling out the whole center which I was unaware of the scandal beyond the O'dea situation. Thank you, this needs to be heard, i'll be linking my post to yours from Nullius Filius
Please tell Joshua and this Bryn to contact me please. amyburt40@yahoo.com. They can't go quiet. That will be the end of their battle. They will take his rights.
I haven't yet heard of a father having rights. It's sad, sick, and so very wrong.
Kelly, We need to get congress to pass a national putative registry. This will stop the state jumping and baby brokering. They can run the registry through the existing child support services. Families are being rip apart by the court system and the attorneys are profiting at the expence of all the families involved. We must stop this baby selling/human trafficking and protect a parents basic civil rights before it is to late.
Bet that Ashley girl is wishing she would have had an abortion rather than putting up with all this bullshit from the biological father and his family. She could have legally done that without his input...it should be the same with her choosing adoption. She is the one that has to go through the pregnancy and childbirth.She should be the one to decide what is best for her baby.
If a father wants any say, he should wait until he is in a stable relationship with the mother, preferably married.
Anonymous,
First, and foremost if you want to be ugly; you should put your name. Hmm; fathers have rights; like it or not!!! And; a father doesn't have to marry momma; to do right by his child.
Anon, you're kidding right? You can't possibly be serious. You really think father's should have no rights? Once a woman decides to carry a child to term she should be well aware the child has a father that needs to be involved in decisions. Its kinda common sense. Something I see you are lacking. You want to push morals by saying he didn't marry the mother but at the same time condone lying and stealing. Hmmmm nice morals. And next time try to grow a set and leave your name
Yes, I think in certain cases a father should not have any rights. Morals? What morals were present in this case? Lying and stealing(in your opinion) are the least of them. Promiscuity is a big moral no-no in my book. If you choose to have pre-marital sex, you have to face the consequences. One of those consequences is that you moght not get to raise the child conceived by that action. Don't have sex with people you don't want to be the parent of your child.
I agree with one point. Once Ashley had sex with Cody it was way too late to decide she didn't want him to be her baby daddy. She should have thought about that before she had sex. Not being concerned with other people's sex life I really could care less about premarital sex. That is a christian preoccupation I do not share. I am confused at why not being married means you shouldn't have the right to raise your child. Last time I checked God did not run out and get married to his son's mother. Not to mention it was God that decided to allow Cody to become a father in the first place. As for your moral no no's, you have every right to have them but i have every right to believe they are idiotic. That is what this grand country is all about. So please expect me to point out how dumb I find your arguments when you come on my friend's blog and act like an ass. Oh and I see you still haven't grown a set. Oh well, your name isn't important anyway
You are right, my name isn't important. And Cody also should have thought about his actions before having sex with Ashley. That's called being responsible. Neither one of these people involved in this case behaved that way.
So to make it all better Cody deserves to lose his child forever? Hmm ok well what did the baby do? Why does the baby deserve to lose its entire family, heritage, idenity and civil rights? Answer that one and I might not think you are such an asshat. However, if you are really advocating that an innocent child deserves to be punished for their conception I will probably have yet another strong opinion of what you are. You are so worried about the morals of others that I have to wonder what is hiding in your woodshed. You obviously don't feel secure enough to post your name or a blog you write one. Unlike you I believe in my words enough to stand behind them with my name attached
Hey Anonymous, what century are you living in??? Or are you really that dense? Do you know what the leading cause of divorce is today? It's getting married. Plus who are you to say who has rights and who doesn't? Last time I knew it took two people to make a baby, which means that both people are responsible for that baby. DUH!!!
Sweeties, your opinion of me means jack.
The problem here is that you see adoption as the loss of identity for the baby and a punishment. How is being adopted a loss of civil rights? The baby is still an American citizen, she will stil have all the civil rights afforded to us all.
Yup...it takes two to make a baby. Marriage is no guarantee that a child will grow up in a two parent home.....but single parenthood is damn hard. Sounds like this mother(and she is still the mother, whether she choses to place the child for adoption or not) was trying to put her baby's best interest at heart. You may not agree with her decision, but that doesn't make her a bad person.
Work to change the laws if you think they are unfit. That is your right. It's also my right to speak freely, without fear of reprisal.
You know, I could resort to name calling too, but I happen to be a bigger person than that!
And what about date rape? If a child is conceived does that father still have rights?
Anonymous,
If you ever come here; and tell us because I had premarital sex I don't have a right to raise my child; put a name with that comment. I have no respect for a coward; and imho you are.
Cody didn't rape Ashley; get over that fact. We are not talking rape; here. And; if we were he would be in jail!!! Ashley; has never yelled rape or will she. Do I know Cody? Hmmm; I, jadetears, Aislin, and Tonya do.
So; I should not have my daughter either? Since she was also conceived by pre-marital sex?
Let, me get one thing here; you are not GOD!!! and since people like you are the ones that go to church; I stay far away. My child's father had rights; the attorney knew that. But; manipulated me out of my baby; for fear of not knowing what daddy would do. Guess what? That attorney was right; if my son's father didn't stop it; it seems his mother would have. Grandparents; have rights to!!!!!!
And; no one has said Ashley was a bad person. And adoption is not a decision just for momma to make. Daddy has rights too!!!
And you watch; we will change the laws. All this has to stop. Because; if people think you have no rights to your children because you had pre-marital sex; that is insane!!!! My parents conceived me out of wed-lock; I think my grandmother would had a problem if you told her my father didn't have rights; and basically you are saying that you have to be punished for this sin. Which; let me get one thing striaght here; I do not think it's a sin. As; Aislin has pointed out; God wasn't married?????
If our opinions mean Jack why are you still talking to us? Yes the baby will lose civil rights. Adopted people are not afforded the right to their own birth certificate or birth records. I don't have time to explain to you why this is a civil rights violation but i am sure many adoptee blogs or maybe bastard nation could clear it up. Yes single parenthood is hard but it is doable and Cody should be given the right to do so. No one has ever ever said on here that Ashley is not a mother. none of us ever would so get over that one. I think she was extremely misguided but its not like i have never made a mistake. My problem is with you seeing taking a man's child as fit punishment for premarital sex. That thinking is pathetic and cruel to me. I won't address the rape coment other than to say I think it is disrespectful to all rape victims to bring it up when it has no bearing on this situation. You do have a right to your opinions. My family fought for your right to believe what you want but they also fought for my right to tell you I think it is idiotic, ignorant and desperately uninformed. I will continue to do so as long asa you are spout it on my friend's blogs. You obviously have no clue what issues face asopted people. I suggest you do some research before you just dismiss their reality. And don't worry, there are many of us working to change the laws that victimize mothers and their children so that the adoption industry can make a buck
Wow, I didn't realize you were all there when this child was conceived. From what I have read, there were drugs and alcohol involved on both sides. Possibly if Ashley weren't under the influence of mind altering substances this would never have happened. I think she even said that at one point. I also don't think that
Ashley choosing to place this child for adoption is Cody's punishment for premarital sex. I think Ashley was trying to do the best thing for her child.
And the only thing I don't give a rats ass about is your opinion of ME. Of course you are entitled to your opinions, that is what makes this a great country. I am also entitled to my own opinions and I even have the right to post them on your blog! It's called free speech and it's a right afforded to me by the Constitution. Ask Melinds O'Dea about it, she's real big on it.
So you "know"Cody? Really? Or do you know only what has been portrayed by his mother and his sister? Do you know of his treatment of Ashley that possibly caused her to make the decisions she has? I don't think so/
I think Ashley has the right to make the decision she felt was best for her child based on the knowledge she had of Cody at the time. Continue to hold him up on a pedestal, I think the misguided one is not Ashley.
I meant to say that AShley's choosing to place this child for adoption is NOT punishment for premarital sex.
anonymous,
My guess is you are Ashley's mother; family; etc..... I don't care who you are. But; you have a personal vendetta against the O'Dea's; and that is uncalled for. No; we were not there; and either were you. Ashley; doesn't understand adoption loss; I can tell you that without ever speaking to her. Tell her to call me; she will change her mind; because in 15 years Ashley will be me. You can block the pain out; but as time passes the pain increases.
Interesting thing I am realizing; here. It's the fathers' mothers who are for the baby staying; for i.e. Cody's mom, Daniel's mom(my son); why is it that the father's mothers get this isn't right? And my own mother; never flinched twice. I hope Ashley; doesn't end up like me. But; my guess is she will. Yes; she will have fun for a few years; then another child might happened; that will bring her to reality. Or; like me two years afterwards I wanted to be committed; they gave me prozac, and sent me home. Most of you know that story; so we won't rehash it.
And; again who cares what these young people did? It should not be a life sentence!!!! Cody; is human. Are you not? I would like to know if you are God? If you are; you know the hell I been through; so can you tell me if my son is ok????
And; God would put his name to his thoughts; right?????
It doesn't matter who I am. I never claimed to be God, and I do not have a personal vendetta against the O'Deas whatsoever.
No, I don't happen to think that adoption means that you have necessarily lost the child.
Yes, Ashley is going to have live with her decision. It probably will affect her the rest of her life. She is prepared for that.
I just do not happen to believe that EVERY single mother should keep her baby.And EVERY biological father deserves to raise his child. And EVERY adoptive parent is rich and just wants to buy a baby. And EVERY adoptee will have issues.
True, I am a mother. And I would do ANYTHING for me child. Sometimes that means not parenting in order to give my child the best life possible.
You don't like church people, but the story of King Solomon in the bible, who had 2 mothers in front of him, fighting over one child. The real mother is the one who was willing to give her child away in order to save his life. The other mother wanted to have the child cut in two. That is what this case reminds me of.
Well that is good because i don't give a rat's ass what your opinion of me is either. One thing we agree on. Actually you don't have the right to post your opinons on Kel's blog. You can only do so because she chooses to allow it. I do find it funny that you still can't identify yourself in any way. I wonder if its because your IP address and email have already been documented on numerous blogs. Hmmmmm things to wonder about. Wonder what would happen if Kel turned off her anon comment feature. Would you even comment again if you had to identify yourself? Not that it really matters. POsting dlanderous things about Cody and his family will hardly effect this case.
The bottom line for me is that no one deserves to have their child taken from them at birth unless there is proof they are a danger to the child. I have yet to see any proof that Cody is a danger to this baby. You can only see this from a personal view point. This is far from an isolated case. This happens to countless fathers and it isn't right.Do you have a clue how these children feel when they grow up and find out one of their parents very much wanted to raise them? Do you have a clue how adoption can make a child feel? Maybe you should ask some people that were adopted. Go to AAAFC (its a forum) and ask all the adopted people there how adoption effect people. Until you talk to people that have dealt with the negative effects of adoption you have no clue what you are talking about.
Anonymous,
I bet money; on it; I know who you are. And; if you are a coward to put your name; my thoughts are validated!!!!
And; I never said I didn't like church people. Please; read better. I said; people like you; keep me far away. As; my daughter attends church; maybe my son does too; and I love both of them.
Yes; the natural mother in that story sacrifices!! Most of us do. I sacrificied my happiness for my child; because they told me he was better off without me. If you knew me; you would know I am a decent mother. And; if either of my children have this issue momma will do what she has to do. I never want my children to make the sacrifices I have. If you want to talk about them; you can e-mail me; this is getting old talking this way.
Hmmm and who ws it that turned out to be the real mother? Wanna talk about Moses and how well that adoption turned out too?
Since you seem to know soooo omuch why don't you tell us what exactly are the risks to Ashley. I bet you can't name one actually risk that mother's face after losing a child to adoption. Most people can't.
Please don't think for one second that i am only concerned for Cody. Ashley is going to have some very serious issues in her life due to this. I am sure no one bothered to warn her.
Regardless of if you believe adoption makes a mother or father lose their child it does. It is a simple fact. Legally Ashley never gave birth to her baby. Legally she is nothing to that child. Legally if the adopters decide to cut contact she is powerless to stop them. BTW 80% of open adoptions close within the first 2 yrs. Legally Ashley is nothing to her child and wil remain so for the rest of their lives. She may be able to see the baby at this point but legally that child is lost to her. And she is lost to her child who did not ask for any of this
I find it funny that this post was mostly about Bryn and The Adoption Center of Choice being unethical. All Anonymous is posting about is Cody O'Dea. Sounds like a personal vendetta to me.
I have not posted anything slanderous about Cody or the O'Deas.
I know some adoptees. One of my best friends is one. She is grateful to her mother for choosing to place her in the home she did. She is very well adjusted and productive. She loves both of her families, the biological and adoptive. Maybe that isn't so for everone. Jsut as not every adoptee is going to maladjusted.
I can see both sides to this story, you are the ones you refuse to see that there might possible be another one than the one presented.
The REAL mother in the Solomon stroy is the one who was willing to give her child up.
As for Moses, well let's see. The results of his mother choosing to send her child away to save and protect him was that he was later in a position to save an entire nation. So, yeah, I fail to see the downside of that.
You are right, legally Ashley and her baby are not family. Spiritually, that is not true and never will be.
Yes, the adoptive family could close ties. I know that happens in many cases. That is a sad thing, and I am against that. I believe it is better for everyone involved that the adoption be 100% open, and I also believe there should be laws in place enforcing that.
Kelly, does it really matter who I am? If I were Ashley's mother, would that make my opinion any less in your eyes than it already is? You already think everything I say is wrong and stupid anyway That is your opinion.
Yes, this case is an isolated case....one that you are only getting one side of. And even if presented with other facts, you would choose to ignore them.
I may be the one who has posted on other blogs, I may not be. It really doesn't matter.
However, there was nothing illegal about what happened. The law will prevail, the baby will stay where she belongs, in the arms of her very loving parents.
The O'Dea family could have been a part of that. And before you start screaming about how he shouldn't have to embrace another family raising his child, isn't that what would have happened if Ashley has chosen to keep her baby? He wouuld have had to embrace Ashley and her family, and work out their differences for the sake of that child. Just as any father who is not married to the mother of his child has to do.
Anonymous,
You have really bascially admitted you are Ashley's mom! I never use the word stupid. But; see in a lot of ways I am Ashley.
Yes; Cody would have worked out his differences with Ashley; I know that for a fact. And; Cody; if Ashley was not able to keep the baby; the next person should be Cody; and his family. My son's grandmother; I can tell you; is a little bit upset by the fact she didn't get a say; and in reality either did my son's father. They should of. If the baby; can be kept with his/her natural family; then that is where the baby needs to be.
This case is not going to be good; when this baby is a young lady. There is going to be hurt; and I am not sure any one understands that on the mother's side. Including momma. Has she talked to an expert; I do not think so. If she has; please tell me. But; the expert my mother sent me to; sent me right to my hell; first by making me think my baby was better off; when I told her; I was going insane; she prescribed Prozac. And; do I have to relive that night? Please; don't make me. There; are not many therapists that understand the signs to look for. But; I can name 3 who do. If you need that. When I told 2 of these therapists; what happened; they knew; what I was feeling. And one is a man at that. Ashley; just loss her first child; have you ever loss a child? Please enlighten me. Because; I am scared for this young woman. I seen it in myself; and many other mothers. We blocked it out; and then all of sudden you can't live the lie any more.
And; I am not to keen on embracing family that steals a man's child. It actually disgusts me; any one would ask Cody to do that. My guess is this adoptive family knows your family quite well; but how in 3 weeks is that possible?
Kelly,
You are projecting your own expereince on this case. And it was a horrible one, I am sorry you have had to go through it.
How can you know for a fact that Cody would have worked out his differences with Ashley? He woul not even come talk to her face to face. He and his family were trying to manipulate her as badly as you seem to think she was manipulated by her family. They were already trying to tell her how to raise a child that had not even been born yet, while calling the police, And DFS on her. That is FACT, not slander.
Ashley and Cody were not a couple. Ashley has NEVER met Cody's mother, and has only spoken to her once on the phone, which was not a pleasant experience, for either of them. So yes, AShley knows the adoptive couple more than she knows Cody 's family.
Again, she made her decision based on her knowledge of Cody and his behavior at the time.
Outsiders looking in really cannot make a judgement call as to if Cody would make a good father or not.
Ashley's family supported her in her decision. It was HER decision. She was not coerced in any way, shape or form.
And if I am her mother, so what? Are you going to send me nasty emails?
You know nothing of Ashley's family and their relationship.
Also, I find it interestying that everyone else in the world is aloowed and even invited to comment on this case, but if anyone shows support for Ashley's decision and her family they are shut down. Why are all of you so afraid to hear the opposing side?
3 weeks she knows someone--give me a break lady--no one knows someone in 3 weeks
Anonymous,
Ok; so yes you are Ashley's mom. Nice to meet you. And; yes what happened to me is HORRIBLE!!!!
No one here is being nasty to Ashley. You are the one coming here; being nasty to us; on my blog. I am sorry; natural family have rights; especially daddy. You do not know; how well I know the O'DEa's or who I am for that matter. So how do you know I am looking in from the outside? This post was about Bryn; so I am not sure how we are arguing the O'Dea case. Which; I will shout it from the rooftops; this case is unethical. I can't sleep at night; I wonder how the adoptive parents sleep; knowing this young man wants his baby. My thinking; still on that; Baby O'Dea is going to be very UPSET that this case took place. I have a feeling my son; is going to be very UPSET knowing grandma didn't know; and he should. I am scared to face this young man; but I would be more afraid if I kept him from his father; when his father was fighting in court. That is not something I would want to deal with. And; unfortunately a lot of times no matter what the circumstances are momma gets blamed!!! Which; no one is blaming Ashley. I feel for this young lady; because I know what she will deal with years down the line. It's a scary thing. And; if you are grandma; please read some books. Primal Wound; The Girls That Went Away; Adoption Healing; am I missing any? I bet you will say my daughter heard all this; after reading the books.
3 Weeks? How can you trust someone with your child you only knew for three weeks. Ashley; knew Cody longer then that. It just seems she would be more comfortable; with their child being with her father. I would of been. I am very upset; that I was lied to. And; I didn't know my son's grandmother; as they live in another town; but I would of known at least she cared enough to help us. Which my mother didn't. Am I bitter? Damn right; I am. My child; my first-born; my only son; might not talk to me ever again; because people convinced me he was better off. Any one who knows me; will tell you I am a decent mother; hell they might say good. But; they convinced me how I would move on, and forget???? Let me tell you this; I never forgot. I blocked it out; never his birthday though. ANd for two years; I lived in shocked; but then came the Prozac; and I tried to take my life. I am not the only mom on comments here; that tried that. I think by looking; all the moms here; have tried. I am sorry ya'll; I am just doing a quick glance so if this is not a fact you can say.
BUt; if my son was with his grandma; I would know he was ok. Or with his dad. Yes; he walked out on me. But; I was never allowed to give him a chance to do the right thing in the end. I hate myself every day for that. My baby; might be with me. So; FATHERS HAVE RIGHTS!!!!!!!!! If that is offensive to Ashley; or the adoptive parents; I am sorry. But; I am guessing I understand adoption loss better then you. Unless you have loss a child to adoption??
I'm interested in knowing how Cody's family tried to manipulate Ashley. Was it by Cody saying he wanted to raise his daughter. I don't understand.
The O'Dea's didn't manipulate Ashley. My guess is; Ashley was very manipulated. Just like I was. And; it wasn't by the father's family. The one who was the worst; is the person who had the most financial gain in this. I didn't comprehend that at that time. So; my guess is The Adoption Center of Choice; was the one who did the most mnanipulation.
Kelly,
You cannot say whether the O'Dea's tried to manipulate Ashley or not. You were not there. You are going to continue to believe the propaganda that they put out.That is fine. They are not blameless in the way this has turned out.
Father's do have right, but they also have responsibilites. Actions speak much louder than words.
Again, Ashley's family completely supported Ashley in her decision, and would have no matter what she decided. We did not make the decision for her. No one did.
It was not an easy decision fo her. I don't know what the future holds for her, but her family will be with her, lifting her up and helping her through whatever trials she may have. We are an extremely close family and we love her very much.
I am sorry for the pain you have had to go through. I really and truely am. What has happened to you is wrong, and I understand that our experiences in life shapes our opinions in other matters.
I am also sorry that you felt I am being nasty. I do not feel I am. All I have ever done is try to give the other side of this story. All I have ever asked is that people realize that there IS another side. You are anti-adoption, I get that. I am not, so yes, we are never going to agree.
Again, the court has this case, nothing illegal took place. We are waiting the judges decision. Ethics are a matter of interpretation.
I am sorry to hijack your blog.
Oh, look at the Christian go!
I always laugh my ass off when I see Christians trying to use the Bible, especially the King Solomon story, as evidence that God supports adoption.
Indeed, the exact opposite is true. There are many passages in the Bible that show that not only does the Bible not support adoption, but it only supports adoption by family in the cases where adoption is NEEDED.
In fact, according to the Bible, this very Christian is one of (in the words of the Bible itself) THE WICKED:
"The WICKED snatch fatherless children from their mother's breasts, and take a poor man's baby as a pledge before they will loan him any money or grain." Job 24:9
Before Christians carry on about what God wants and thinks, they really should read the Bible. AT LEAST once.
Otherwise, they just look like jackasses.
Point in case, see above.
Oh, and one last point.
About the King Solomon story... you will notice something tragically different about King Solomon and the woman speaking here.
King Solomon THE WISE returned the child to the real mother. Because he knew that since she loved the child enough to give the child up, she loved the child enough to raise him.
Clearly, King Solomon was far more intelligent and wise than you are.
I bet he read the Bible. At LEAST once...
actions speak louder than words. I see a man who - the only reason he left was because Ashley claimed to have a miscarriage and wouldn't talk to him. If Cody had never found out I assume this family would NEVER have notified him he even had a child out there.
When he found out at 8 MONTHS pregnant he made his wishes to have his child in his life and raise her be known - signed up on the state registry and stop one adoption through LDS family services.
The woman vanishes calls once to tell Cody a cryptic message. Doesn't notify him of the birth nor the adoption arrangements with the adoption center of choice.
When he finally finds out about that he sends letters voicing his desire to raise the child again.
Yes, Cody's actions spoke very loudly. He did everything he could do with the information he had.
Why is it that your family or the family that has the baby has never given cody a picture of his daughter? Are you all that cruel?
The problem here is that you see adoption as the loss of identity for the baby and a punishment. How is being adopted a loss of civil rights? The baby is still an American citizen, she will stil have all the civil rights afforded to us all.
Actually anon, the above is incorrect, adoptees DO NOT get the same civil rights afforded to non adopted people. We can't even ACCESS our birth certificates, let alone get non id w/out our aparents permission.
but thats aside the point, that if HE made the baby, then he has a right to raise the baby, and any mother who tries to keep her child from his/her father when the father wants to raise the child, is flat out WRONG. ( assuming he's not unfit.)
This will be criminal one day i accomplish all of my goals. And so far, so good!
Well, here is an update for you.The judge on the O'Dea case ruled against him yesterday. His case to establish paternity is dismissed. The judge said while he has sympathy for the biological father...he DIDN"T do eveything "right"(as you all like to put it), and his paternity is waived.
Of course, the O'Dea's will appeal, and continue to try and bring upheaval to the baby and her REAL family. However, they will lose and this adoption will be final.
Ashley DID do what she needed to legally, and she did out out of the utmost love for her child.
You'll have to forgive me if I wait to see an actual ruling by a judge. I prefer not to just take the word of people online with an obvious grudge.
Oh and you can call it REAL all you want. Hell I can call a duck a turkey if I feel like it. Still doesn't make it a damn turkey.
Anonymous,
I am not going to sit here, and debate what Ashley did!!! If you are her mother; I will hope you are watching for the signs you need to watch for!!! It might not be today; the next day; it might be years; but no one walks away from this experience ok!!!! I tried to kill myself two years later; because I heard all this; this is what is best for your baby; this is the loving choice; grrrr..... Let me tell you; what it did; the reality of it; I do not hold babies; AT ALL!!!! Yes; I held my daughter; but I didn't hold her first; I freak at baby showers; first bday parties; because the reality of it; my child will think I didn't want a part of this; and I did!!! Oh; and it seems like you have a lot in common with my mother; who should be ashamed of herself!!! Any one who thinks this experience is ok for momma has loss their minds!! Just looking at the facts; screams Ashley has no clue what she is doing; and my guess is you are the one calling the shots; which is way to close to home for me!! If; I knew Daniels's mother was my outlet; to keep my baby within our two families; my son would be here!!! I would have opted for that; bfore enduring the HELL I deal with every day of my life!!! The effects are not a joke; I freak if someone asks me to hold a baby; and its embarrassing to have to make up excuses!!! From; the sounds of it though; Ashley knows these adoptive parents well; how is that possible after only 3 weeks??? You seem never to answer that question; why is that?????
You know what? I'm glad they have the laws that way, that if the parents were unmarried the mother has primary rights. Because it's too easy for a guy who is an a##hole to knock some random single woman up and take her child otherwise.
It's the law here in Ohio. The sperm donor in my case cheated on me after I got pregnant with the child he said he wanted beforehand, and kicked me out when I wouldn't stop giving him hell about it. If he'd been able to take away my child that would have been the final straw.
However we also have a putative father registry in this state and it is supposed to be checked if a child is up for adoption, and the putative father consulted. I don't know if that's the case elsewhere, or in how many other states.
I hardly think that a reference to the bible is the tactic to take. Imaculate conception has no real bearing in this argument. God never had intercourse with Mary, that's why is called the "Immaculate Conception." However, if you want to talk morals, I don't think Ashley had her morals in consideration since she had premarital sex as a mormon.
I think we should focus on the issue, the man had his baby taken from him. Just because he's a man doesn't mean he doesn't have the right to raise his child. Men who want to be an active part of their childrens lives are a dying breed and we should be thankful that he's putting for the effort and fighting so hard. Being a single parent is hard, but how many men and women are doing it...successfully?! My mother was a single parent. My father wanted nothing to do with me, he was intent on making it as hard a s possible for her. But she prevailed. Put me through private school on her own and gave me everything I could have possibly wanted.
If Ashley was so intent on giving up her child, was that always her intention if she ever got pregnant? If so, why didnt she tell him, giving him the choice to be in a relationship. If she was really that concerned about the welfare of her child, and she was unwilling to raise her, you would think that common sense would have kicked in and instead of giving her up to complete strangers, she should have given her up to her loving and obviously concerned father. Maybe she should have thought about the responsibilities of becoming a "mommy" before she spread her legs!
I cant speak for everyone but I can speak for myself. I gave a baby girl up for adoption 12 years ago thru the adoption center of choice. I was already the mother o a 1 year old and was very confused and scared. The adoption center of choice made me feel like I was incapable of raising another baby because i wasnt married. When my baby was born I changed my mind and decided 2 keep my baby. I told them I needed time I was very confused. About 10 hrs later around 1am on pain pills I handed my baby 2 her adoptive family. I was drugged and confused. less than 24hrs later I decided 2 revoke my decision 2 let my baby b adopted but it was 2 late. Utah laws say after u sign thats it. I dont see how thats best 4 the baby. Only a day later the baby has no connection 2 this family. The adoption agency never offered me counciling....It is now 12 years later and I feel like a piece of me has been ripped out! I have no rights doesnt matter what I was promised at birth. The adoptive family holds all the strings. I feel like these laws need 2 change. Ashley may not feel it now but I assure you 1 day she well. Doesnt mean she will regret giving her baby up because not everyone does. I can just tell you from my experience it has not been easy, and I did it because I was lead 2 believe by the adoption center of choice that I was a bad person!!!! I am no such thing! I have a happy wonderful well adjusted 14 year old. Do I believe Cody and birthfathers have right? Of course I do! If this adoption would have been stopped from the start when he tried 2 be a father 2 this baby girl than her adoptive family would not have 2 be dealing with the heartache of maybe possible one day losing her! Im not saying all adoptions all horrible but lets be fair if a natural parent wants 2 parent Y NOT?
sandi
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Joshua Simmerson has created a web page for his son. It opened today and could use some support.
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So hilarious Kellys bias toward Bryn. I know Bryn Ayers for almost twenty years and am just curious if this is the Kelly who Bryn pays to clean his filthy house for him, or the ex-stripper Kelly who he tells me he drove to pick up crack cocaine and smoke it with her? I bet Bryn put "poor Kelly" up to writing this, maybe helping her by loaning the computer to her, shes often without a stable environment to call home. Maybe the two of them should've gone to pick up that baby and raised it in his filthy drug environment. Gee, wander who has any since on this page? Gee wander who is getting lied too. I know I's rather have an aboprtion than put up with the disgust that is Bryn Ayers, or his stripper ex's. PUKE.
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